Feedback & Suggestions

[Death]

Suggestions for our Pure+ PvE server. All feedback is welcome and appreciated!

[Lycanthus]

First!

[SpeedJourney]

For me this server don't have sence ! No one will play Pure server under modded tag , all vanilla enjoyers search servers only at community tag and with this server the hole idea of full pure server with decay is pretty much dead !

[a 3/0 sc lauan]

6 hours ago, SpeedJourney said:

For me this server don't have sence ! No one will play Pure server under modded tag , all vanilla enjoyers search servers only at community tag and with this server the hole idea of full pure server with decay is pretty much dead !

This exact rendition of pure used to host 300+ players with 100 more in queue (on us).  Additionally it allows the admin team to run events for our pure players without skirting the community restrictions, as well as allowing plauers to make website purchases if they choose and support the server.  

 

Decay on standard pure will have its day, and i've been an advocate for that for a long time, and theres always a lot of support for it, pure+ wont kill that unless the players let it

[stroiger]

33 minutes ago, a 3/0 sc lauan said:

This exact rendition of pure used to host 300+ players with 100 more in queue (on us).  Additionally it allows the admin team to run events for our pure players without skirting the community restrictions, as well as allowing plauers to make website purchases if they choose and support the server.  

 

Decay on standard pure will have its day, and i've been an advocate for that for a long time, and theres always a lot of support for it, pure+ wont kill that unless the players let it

Looking at the last wipes, that wasn't the case, at least for Pure EU. Just because something "used to" be this or that doesn't mean it will going forward - Facebook used to be the biggest social media platform, Snapchat used to be big too. Changes not welcomed by a big margin of users decreased popularity and rightfully so. 

And a lot of support FOR decay doesn't change the fact that a large portion of players was against it too (around 80 votes iirc)

@Death  At first it sounded like your vision for Pure was always to "purify" it at some point, that decay therefore was something long coming, not a rushed desicion. Then when the polls were opened it was never stated by you or anyone else HOW decay would be implemented, would it be modified ? 50% ? normal decay? A lot of people that spoke out FOR decay specifically said that while they wouldn't mind decay, they wouldn't IF the decay rate would be decreased. 

Now after we know that there's a split to Pure+ and Pure it seems like your vision wasn't to make the server go back to its vanilla roots at all - as Pure+ has features like portable recyclers, airdrops, removal tools and so on. How is that in line with your wish for how Pure would be developing since 2017 that you explained when you opened the voting on decay? 

It seems like monetization was the reason in the end, as we can see with the Pure+ Servers store perks and store items. Which in itself is more than reasonable since the servers don't run on good vibes and love - but the way it's been communicated  is different and leaves a bitter taste.

Now - in my opinion at least - a portion of the playerbase (wether it'll be half or more) will shift to Pure+, mostly those who don't mind spending money, or have spent money on RustEZ before (members and VIPs) on amenities or QoL stuff or start of wipe perks like airdrops, leaving more or most of casual players (which still make out a huge part of the community) on Pure, partly for the decay and partly for its vanilla origins since you can't "buy" your way to accelerate your start of wipe (wether it be at the actual force wipe or whenever these players decide to join).  
Give that some time, a couple months or so, and when the Pure server will lose it's popularity people will look over to Pure+ solely for the bigger playerbase by then - or maybe because some people and groups who used to play together, friends who've been made along the way and so on, will have been split up since some prefer Pure+ and some the normal Pure playstyle - and at that point I don't think it would be worth it to keep running the normal Pure servers for you (which I and many others wouldn't want to happen ofc). 

And @SpeedJourney I think your point about the servers listing makes sense, community servers gain more attention compared to modded ones when it comes to PvE. Originally after Facepunch made changes last year and most of the Pure item stores were unobtainable on the Pure servers due to that, Death said that they removed those very items not to lose their possibility to list Pure under the community tag, now that doesn't matter anymore I guess.

That's just my 2 cents, but this all seems very rushed and the reasoning doesn't seem to be anymore connected to server performance or anything tied to decay, especially since your own staff members are now hinting on normal Pure getting decay too at some point.

Disclaimer: my intent is not to criticize the desicions for no reason, I try to put myself in the shoes of you, Death, as well as the players and I wouldn't take time to give feedback if this server wouldn't mean this much to me.

[a 3/0 sc lauan]

2 hours ago, stroiger said:

Looking at the last wipes, that wasn't the case, at least for Pure EU. Just because something "used to" be this or that doesn't mean it will going forward - Facebook used to be the biggest social media platform, Snapchat used to be big too. Changes not welcomed by a big margin of users decreased popularity and rightfully so. 

And a lot of support FOR decay doesn't change the fact that a large portion of players was against it too (around 80 votes iirc)

@Death  At first it sounded like your vision for Pure was always to "purify" it at some point, that decay therefore was something long coming, not a rushed desicion. Then when the polls were opened it was never stated by you or anyone else HOW decay would be implemented, would it be modified ? 50% ? normal decay? A lot of people that spoke out FOR decay specifically said that while they wouldn't mind decay, they wouldn't IF the decay rate would be decreased. 

Now after we know that there's a split to Pure+ and Pure it seems like your vision wasn't to make the server go back to its vanilla roots at all - as Pure+ has features like portable recyclers, airdrops, removal tools and so on. How is that in line with your wish for how Pure would be developing since 2017 that you explained when you opened the voting on decay? 

It seems like monetization was the reason in the end, as we can see with the Pure+ Servers store perks and store items. Which in itself is more than reasonable since the servers don't run on good vibes and love - but the way it's been communicated  is different and leaves a bitter taste.

Now - in my opinion at least - a portion of the playerbase (wether it'll be half or more) will shift to Pure+, mostly those who don't mind spending money, or have spent money on RustEZ before (members and VIPs) on amenities or QoL stuff or start of wipe perks like airdrops, leaving more or most of casual players (which still make out a huge part of the community) on Pure, partly for the decay and partly for its vanilla origins since you can't "buy" your way to accelerate your start of wipe (wether it be at the actual force wipe or whenever these players decide to join).  
Give that some time, a couple months or so, and when the Pure server will lose it's popularity people will look over to Pure+ solely for the bigger playerbase by then - or maybe because some people and groups who used to play together, friends who've been made along the way and so on, will have been split up since some prefer Pure+ and some the normal Pure playstyle - and at that point I don't think it would be worth it to keep running the normal Pure servers for you (which I and many others wouldn't want to happen ofc). 

And @SpeedJourney I think your point about the servers listing makes sense, community servers gain more attention compared to modded ones when it comes to PvE. Originally after Facepunch made changes last year and most of the Pure item stores were unobtainable on the Pure servers due to that, Death said that they removed those very items not to lose their possibility to list Pure under the community tag, now that doesn't matter anymore I guess.

That's just my 2 cents, but this all seems very rushed and the reasoning doesn't seem to be anymore connected to server performance or anything tied to decay, especially since your own staff members are now hinting on normal Pure getting decay too at some point.

Disclaimer: my intent is not to criticize the desicions for no reason, I try to put myself in the shoes of you, Death, as well as the players and I wouldn't take time to give feedback if this server wouldn't mean this much to me.

I cant speak to deaths portion of your question line, however i feel i can confidently say that standard community pure wont be going anywhere.  It's been the heart and soul of EZ since its inception, and certainly for the entirety of my 6 years here as a player/admin.  

What pure+ affords us is the opportunity for pure players to enjoy qol perks, their VIP perks, and website purchases if they choose, without having to deal with obtrusive UI's, net worth, teleports, and other commands, found on the more heavily modded servers, keeping the overall gameplay largely "pure".  

 

Pure+ also allows our admin teams to run server events for our pure members, complete with prizes they're actually able to make use of without needing to switch to a fully modded server for a month to redeem/get use of.  

 

At any rate, pure+ was NOT created as a replacement, and standard pure will remain an anchor for the community