AU Survival Ban - Nightborne

[Sweet Tooth]

Offender: Nightborne Battlemetrics Steam
Server: AU Survival 
Time: 22:00
Length: 3 Days
Reason: No building around monuments, or large areas of unused land.
More Info (Optional): 3 Day ban after ignoring 2 Warns and building more

[Nightborne]

There is a lot wrong with this. 

1. The reason doesn't make sense. It is not particularly close to a monument, it is not a large area of unused land and is actually next to the admin who banned me. It is on a lake, which as this admin told someone on the same lake when he built next to them, these sorts of areas are in high demand as the game goes on.  The reason I was initially given was the size.

2. There was no two warnings - at least not two that I saw. I received several messages that stated they were "not warnings" and when I logged on, I did receive one warning stating to reduce the size of the building. 

3. "Building more". I literally did not build more. I am not sure if you can access building logs, but I reduced the base significantly after I received the warning. I reduced the height by about 30% and the width by about 25%. I 100% did not build more. The message advised me to reduce the size of the base, it did not say how much by - I thought 30% and 25% respectively was more than fair, given I was told how much. 

4. Although the reason for the ban is not the size, I still maintain the size isn't excessive. It was to be a base for about 6 people (the full base would be about 7 floors - lower than the height of the admin's base btw). The base was designed to not impact server performance with overcrowding of pipes, cables etc and kept minimalistic. 

The information provided by this admin does not match with what he said in game chat and is fundamentally false.

Edited yesterday at 10:33 AM by Nightborne
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[Sweet Tooth]

2 hours ago, Nightborne said:

There is a lot wrong with this. 

1. The reason doesn't make sense. It is not particularly close to a monument, it is not a large area of unused land and is actually next to the admin who banned me. It is on a lake, which as this admin told someone on the same lake when he built next to them, these sorts of areas are in high demand as the game goes on.  The reason I was initially given was the size.

2. There was no two warnings - at least not two that I saw. I received several messages that stated they were "not warnings" and when I logged on, I did receive one warning stating to reduce the size of the building. 

3. "Building more". I literally did not build more. I am not sure if you can access building logs, but I reduced the base significantly after I received the warning. I reduced the height by about 30% and the width by about 25%. I 100% did not build more. The message advised me to reduce the size of the base, it did not say how much by - I thought 30% and 25% respectively was more than fair, given I was told how much. 

4. Although the reason for the ban is not the size, I still maintain the size isn't excessive. It was to be a base for about 6 people (the full base would be about 7 floors - lower than the height of the admin's base btw). The base was designed to not impact server performance with overcrowding of pipes, cables etc and kept minimalistic. 

The information provided by this admin does not match with what he said in game chat and is fundamentally false.

Hi Nightborne 

your foundation is 33 by 27 and has not been reduced since the Non Warn was sent in fact it grew the Non warn was ignored by you with you responding that you wouldn't be down sizing, When asked what your intention was with the base you didn't answer just stated that it would be made bigger and wasn't finished, I then told you in chat it needed to be downsized this was the first Warning, The second warning was sent through F1 in which you were told you had 24 hours to downsize and make use of the build, After 48 hours you had only removed a few walls and hadn't utilized the build after which a 3 Day ban was placed.

The 3 Day ban will remain in place.
Sweet Tooth

 

[Nightborne]

How the person banning is the same person deciding the appeal is kind of crazy. 

We were in game chat and you never said it was a warning. It was a conversation between about 4 people. I really don't know how you consider that a warning when you sent me about 6 pop up messages saying it wasn't a warning (at least one of which came after our chat). 

You're pictures prove that your being deceptive. These have been taken across different days. We did not speak until well after the first photo and we hadn't spoken by the time you took the second photo. We spoke by the time you took the third photo and, as you can, the height is almost halved and the foundation has not expanded at all. I was in the process of removing more foundations but had zero kit because I was re spawned in some weird jail without warning. 

You also never asked what the intention was, and why would it matter? It was having zero impact on server performance. 

I also hadn't utilised it because I was still building the walls haha. I don't spend 8 hours per day playing, so progress can be slow from time to time. 

You are 100% on a power trip and don't like that someone has built large next to you. I'm totally fine with the ban, keep it in place. I just want to show how dishonest you are being, as proven by your own photos. 

Please now go deal with the bases that are impacting server performance significantly. And remember, you said you couldn't deal with other concerns raised by players because people weren't online. You managed to ban me without being online... 

 

[Sweet Tooth]

Hi Nightborne 

Yes Ban appeals are handled by the Admin who placed the ban 

That First photo was taken on the Day I first spoke with you, The 2nd on the day I sent you the 24 hour warning and the 3rd was taken when the 3 day ban was issued.

I asked you in voice chat about 6 different times what your intention was with it and you ran away each time hence the first Non Warn been sent. 

As part of the 24 hour warning your were asked to down size and utilize the space nothing had been placed to show any intent of utilizing the base after 48 hours.

And again as I said to you many Times I we aren't told where a base is that is causing issues unless we come across it from normal game play we don't know where they are so how are we to delt with it? and the ones we know about are a bit hard to deal with if the player hasn't logged in since the warning was sent to them.

Again this is only a 3 day ban to give you a chance to think things over before coming back to the game.

Thanks Sweet Tooth

[Nightborne]

It's funny that your response has shifted from saying I ignored the direction to downsize to I didn't tell you what the intention was. I suspect that is because you realise your photos prove I did downsize. 

How can you tell someone to downsize, they do and then you ban them anyway? 

You're now trying to confuse the topic by talking about my intent. And yes, I did see you at my base but I literally never heard you say a word. I didn't run away, I was working in the base haha. 

You also keep talking about how I haven't shown intent to use it. Mate, I have a full time job. I do not play for hours everyday. 

Again, I don't care about the ban. I won't be coming back to the server anyway. I can see now why others are so frustrated though. Admins not dealing with server impact issues and then conveniently applying rules and lying when it suits them. Keep up the great work!! 

[Sweet Tooth]

Hi Nightborne 

while you might have removed some walls ultimately you didn't decrees the foot print of your base The foundations remained the same there were also no Items placed on the foundations to show any intent to make use of the base. I am not trying to confuse the topic by talking about your intent that all tied in with the decision to place the 3 Day ban.

When i was trying to talk to you in voice chat you proceeded to run away when I fallowed you you turned and ran in the opposite direction no work was been done on your base in that time.

And again if no one tells us of problems how are we meant to deal with them.

 

Thanks 

Sweet Tooth

[Nightborne]

You keep moving the goal posts. First I apparently increased in size, then I hadn't decreased, now I didn't change the footprint, but did decrease the overall size. You are absolutely twisting yourself in knots trying to justify it. 

The talk of intent is crazy. I lost all my mats and had to start collecting so I could keep building, because you put me in some weird jail with no explanation. I wouldn't utilise the base until it was finished and, for the third time, not everyone plays everyday. Yeah, it was a big undertaking, but not even close to the biggest or most demanding on the server. This intent thing you keep bringing up is weird - you never raised this in chat and of course I intended on using it. What other purpose does a base have? And it was my only base. 

You can keep saying I ran away - I literally heard no voice chat from you and was building the base. I honestly thought you were just looking at the base. I had no reason to think you were talking to me if I couldn't hear you. 

Again, I hope people see this thread and your constant changing of stories. I think it is really telling. And for anyone reading, please note, this base is next to the admin who banned me. He has had multiple issues raised with him previously regarding other bases that have encroached on players and caused lag, but only seems to deal with those directly affecting him or his friends. Also note, the admin has raised a lot of issues in this forum that he never raised in chat. The admin told me to downsize and I almost halved the height of the base and was in the process of removing foundations before being put into some admin jail.