Networth

[rubiks-q-bert]

So all the talk in discussion brought up some good talk about networth and the black market. A cap of how much you can make per wipe might help out with the farm builds on scourge and survival considering that's really all it goes towards. Say 150k (or whatever number). Once you've made that much, you won't get anymore for the wipe. In relation to the new black market @Death mentioned, if/when it is implemented, wipe everyone's networth back to default so we all have to start from scratch. 

Yes, it's probably gonna be grumbled at but whatever. I have 1.8 mil almost and I'm all for it. Fresh slate. Lets go.

[Granny]

Wiping everyone's networth? No, I would not at all support that. It'd be incredibly unfair to those who really have worked for it.
Some folks set goals for themselves as well, so capping what they can get .. no. Not the right approach.

As for the changes to the black market, I am very interested to see how things pan out. 

Maybe one of these days I'll hit 10k net worth...

Nah... too lazy... 

[TwistedWalkerRed]

Granny thats the issue that he is suggesting solutions for is the server performance is an issue due to large composter farms and such but the only solution ppl are throwing about is capping the amount of pickles you can place in a composter which is  as you said capping what players can get and as you said ppl have set goals and capping composters is another way to fix the issue but what it will do is cap the people that use it for the right reasons as well as the ones causing the lag.

the issue is people using a unbalanced system simply to gain networth while capping the composters is a solution its a solution that as you said is unfair to the ppl that really work(in this case use) the composters for the right reasons.

it was thrown out as an option to cap composters to 50 pickles at a time by death. you need 54 pickles to make 1 batch of 9 fert which is enough for 1 large planter to be ferted so its a cap that wont even allow 1 planter to be ferted by one composter.

In my opinion capping pickles into composters will only do 2 things. hinder farmers that use them and make people use more composters to reach their same goals which will cause more performance issues.

Edited July 1, 2021 by TwistedWalkerRed
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[rubiks-q-bert]

2 hours ago, Granny said:

Wiping everyone's networth? No, I would not at all support that. It'd be incredibly unfair to those who really have worked for it.
Some folks set goals for themselves as well, so capping what they can get .. no. Not the right approach.

As for the changes to the black market, I am very interested to see how things pan out. 

Maybe one of these days I'll hit 10k net worth...

Nah... too lazy... 

Agree to disagree then. I don't think there is anything wrong with a fresh start if/when a new black market system is put into place. Puts everyone on even ground at the start. But alright, don't wipe it. So what's wrong with capping it then? The whole end game is how much networth can you make which is how we get garrison campers, massive farms, etc. If you limit how much you can make, I think it would result in less camping,  less massive farms, etc. 

So pickles get nerfed, well we already know people will just either find the next best thing to compost or start doing massive farms. 

I respectfully challenge you to find a better solution then if you don't like mine. 
 

[Granny]

What I said directly addresses the initial suggestions.  Not an official stance, merely my personal opinion. 
If you are willing to put ideas out, you need to be willing to see why something might not work well, or will not work at all.

There will be no easy fix for this issue, but do know, we are all looking at the situation and trying to find something that will work better. 

As always please keep the ideas coming! That is one of the reasons I love this community so much.
 

[EmreTLN]

I'm absolutely against this. Because many players increase their in-game net worth by purchasing items like PJ, Test Generator, Recycler from the Define Store with 'real money'. I am one of them, and I made my first purchase from the Define Store. I increased my Net Worth, which was around 100k, to 750K, and I'm very satisfied with it. If it were to be reset, all my efforts and the real money I spent would go to waste. Is there any compensation for this? No. That's why I am against resetting or partially reducing Net Worth. Net Worth should not be tampered with; I believe it involves a lot of effort. Of course, I respect your thoughts and opinions; after all, we express our ideas on this forum to improve our gaming experiences, but my opinion is that Net Worth should remain as it is, that is, never reset.

[Lil_Phill]

i have also found when playing pure i would be over it in a week then not come back till maybe next wipe or even a wipe after, having networth transfer after wipe gives me incentive to play the entire month

[Lil_Phill]

i have also found when playing pure i would be over it in a week then not come back till maybe next wipe or even a wipe after, having networth transfer after wipe gives me incentive to play the entire month,
on top of this i had the suggestion to take off water tax on water purifiers to make it easier to farm on other low traffic areas of the map instead of cramming into fresh water areas

 

[Smelly_fred]

I play on US survival mainly.  and I have a little net worth but not like musk or gates. a modest 400k. but I play on the other servers rustez offers too and not concern about transferring networth.  it's my break from grinding for networth. 

[Masterduelist]

I like the networth limit idea.  I think it would be a good idea to cap networth per day or per week.  That way people still play at the end of wipe.

[KR6SSY]

Or maybe have maps with a lot more rivers or lakes so people aren't crammed into one area to use water!  The river lags are bad!

 

[KR6SSY]

I agree with the others on not wiping my net worth. I spend a minimum of $50 on the rustez store to improve my game experience to make worth. To me, it's the reason I play the server. Im at 40 milliion and shooting for 100 million. All my net worth to be taken to zero would mean I wasted my real life money for no reason whatsoever. What does it matter what my net worth is to others? It doesn't. So I really don't understand why someone would want to wipe out something I've worked very hard for.

And capping it? Why? Just make the map bigger or have more rivers so people aren't on top of each other. I find the game plays great with my gaming laptop. Earlier this wipe it was laggy for many of us but something got fixed in the last update so we are all at better FPS. I think Death keeps the servers up great in that respect.

[BigDave]

I see two arguments here.

1. Wipe networth (NW) because people who farm it have a negative effect on others game experience due to lag (assuming everyone farms NW using massive farms).

2. Don't take my NW because I either worked hard for it or paid for it with real cash.

The cash side should be easy to solve, just sell networth on the store. No need for the farm just buy it. I suspect this won't help because the real issue is people want to feel like they're earning it, whether they effectively just bought it or not, which leaves us with the 'I worked hard for it' issue.

Wiping everything once a month is a part of what rust is about though. People work hard for their bases, their weapons and components and even their farming skills on the modded servers and still actually look forward to the wipe. 

I can also see why wiping NW would discourage a lot of players who basically only play to grind NW, so wiping it probably won't be an attractive option. But a players NW doesn't directly affect others so the problem is really with the farms right?

The big farms affecting others is a different issue. You can see some arguments like 'I have an expensive gaming device and I don't lag so that's a you problem' and although that may be true those same people could just say 'NW wiping is a you problem' and be just as considerate to your gaming experience. 

Could this not be addressed by capping the amount of entities a player can have on a server? It's probably the amount of entities (and specific types I suppose) that are the real issue so why not cap that? That should address the issue of lag without directly effecting NW.

 

[KR6SSY]

I don't have a farm, unless you call explosive factory a farm. It is limited already due to electrical hookup will short if the base has used too much. Wiping networth would have me search for a new server. It's just a silly idea. My networth is only known by me. I can't sell it etc. I use it for revives and tps. Wiping it every month is just a silly idea. 

[BigDave]

9 hours ago, KR6SSY said:

I don't have a farm, unless you call explosive factory a farm. It is limited already due to electrical hookup will short if the base has used too much. Wiping networth would have me search for a new server. It's just a silly idea. My networth is only known by me. I can't sell it etc. I use it for revives and tps. Wiping it every month is just a silly idea. 

I personally don't care if NW wipes or not, I just hope that whatever happens is inclusive of everyone's view. I don't want to see people leave either way. Death seems to do a great job of that so I'm positive it'll be fine in the end.

A couple of points though.

It's true that networth is only known to you (ignoring that you just told us that it's 40 million), but some have previously asked for a networth leader board similar to the /top. So there are some people who really do want it to be an appendage measuring contest. If those people aren't buying pumpjacks to make explosives then they're probably making massive farms.

If, like you say, it's only for TPs and revives then a cap should be fine right? A 500k cap would be 15k a day per wipe to cover that, so a cap wouldn't restrict that unless you die a lot.

Although wiping networth is described as silly, where's not much to support that apart from it being opposed to your personal goal of endlessly spending real money to accrue a score of in game currency. That's something that could also be called silly.

You are spending money on the server (thus financially supporting it) to pursue a goal important to you which doesn't negatively affect others. It's a good argument so I'd just leave it at that.

[chugalug]

Why do you need 40 million networth?  I've bounced around 250k to 300k for the last year or two and have no need for more.