New Skin Shop - Feedback

[Death]

Please leave all of your feedback and suggestions for our new skin shop! Please note it's live for testing and we expect some minor hiccups as we finalize features and last minute touches.

[MrCritical]

UI is great and easy to navigate.

Love that the voted up skins show right up in your favorites for easy access.

AK didn't come up for me as an option. Had one in inventory and on hot bar. My M249, L96, Ice pick, and LR all did though.

Workshop skins take a bit to apply. I tried switching weapons around and nothing instant but after a couple minutes it showed up. I'm guessing just an effect of the massive amount of skins available.

Overall I love it and look forward to being able to change my styles up.

[Death]

3 minutes ago, MrCritical said:

Workshop skins take a bit to apply. I tried switching weapons around and nothing instant but after a couple minutes it showed up. I'm guessing just an effect of the massive amount of skins available.

The skins are actually being downloaded by Steam and stored in your workshop folder. They only need to be downloaded once then they'll pull from your local workshop folder to be cached in memory. You'll notice them start to show much quicker once they're downloaded.

[Oderef]

Awsome job! its easy to navigate.

Would be good to add multiple skins as a favorites without the page reset.

Maybe if theres possible to add a check before apply the skin as a "review" skin.

Overall awesome job as always! love to be part of this server :)

 

[Death]

Just now, Oderef said:

Would be good to add multiple skins as a favorites without the page reset.

Could you clarify on the page reset? Is your sorting set to random? If so you will see what appears to be a reset. That's because in order to change the thumbs up indicator we have to send the entire GUI again.

[Oderef]

2 minutes ago, Death said:

Could you clarify on the page reset? Is your sorting set to random? If so you will see what appears to be a reset. That's because in order to change the thumbs up indicator we have to send the entire GUI again.

Sure when you thumbs up a skin after you filter e.g "Neon" on search box the page resets and you have to search again and thumbs up the next one

Maybe its just happening to me...

Edited April 5, 2023 by Oderef
Clarify the message

[YetiBacklash]

 Fantastic so far! Thank you @Death 

Would love it if there was the ability to hover over a skin and have its thumbnail enlarge just so it's momentarily a little easier to discern some detail w/o having to fully select and exit the menu to see. Maybe the enlarged image includes the name of the skin, too, in-case that helps with some additional context as to what the theme or finer depictions of the skin might be?

Otherwise, maybe a feature like a lot of library UI's where we can choose/alternate the size/density of the icons (ex. Windows Explorer: XL, L, M, & S Icons, then List, Details, Tiles, etc.), where the current library view we're seeing rn could be the Tiled or Small/Medium Icons option?

Edited April 5, 2023 by YetiBacklash

[Death]

2 hours ago, Oderef said:

Sure when you thumbs up a skin after you filter e.g "Neon" on search box the page resets and you have to search again and thumbs up the next one

Maybe its just happening to me...

Ah gotcha. Yeah that was an oversight I'll push an update asap for that.

 

2 hours ago, YetiBacklash said:

Would love it if there was the ability to hover over a skin and have its thumbnail enlarge just so it's momentarily a little easier to discern some detail w/o having to fully select and exit the menu to see. Maybe the enlarged image includes the name of the skin, too, in-case that helps with some additional context as to what the theme or finer depictions of the skin might be?

This is already implemented it's just not fully released. You'll have the option to choose to have a popup with an enhanced image or to instantly apply the skin. This will be apart of version 2.0 that has the settings interface.

[SmartyPants]

Make sure you have steam set to allow downloads during gameplay. I had mine off and it wasn't loading any skins till I made the change.

Might have been something else but as soon as I made the change everything popped up.

[YetiBacklash]

• idk if it's hazzy suit in general or just he astronaut suit, but it's not coming up as a valid skinnable item to select and search
• (just in case there's ramifications I have no idea about on ur side of things), the skull spike item appears in the ui as searchable and hypothetically skinnable, but doesn't actually have any skin variety options

[SmartyPants]

I have some sheet metal doors that were skinned as factory doors and when in inventory, /skin shop doesn't recognize them. I'm also having a problem picking up factory doors in my base, even with a salvaged hammer. Getting message you are not authorized to pick this up from chat. Tried using paint can to change to default and still getting message.

 

I was able to place in workbench and change to different skin and door was recognized that way by the skin shop.

Edited April 5, 2023 by SmartyPants

[Death]

2 hours ago, MrCritical said:

AK didn't come up for me as an option. Had one in inventory and on hot bar. My M249, L96, Ice pick, and LR all did though.

You sure you weren't on the favorites tab?

 

1 hour ago, SmartyPants said:

have some sheet metal doors that were skinned as factory doors and when in inventory, /skin shop doesn't recognize them.

Static skinnables are not supported yet. A static skinnable is basically an item that turns into another item when skinned. No clue why Facepunch did that instead of just doing proper skins. They'll be supported at some point though.

[Death]

A new update has been dropped thanks to your feedback so far! Thank you

- Search context now goes to default when no value is provided or contains white spaces.
- Fixed search context defaulting when using thumbs up or using pagination buttons.
- Added local blacklist to exclude items with static skins that are not supported atm. Radsuit, water gun, torch, etc...

[Đ]

I can't seem to find a way to stop from downloading a large number of skins when I want to skin an item. As soon as I click on an item and select Workshop, it starts mass-downloading. Is there a way to search for an already downloaded/subscribed workshop item without first navigating to the Workshop tab?

Because its trying to download all of the skins for the item I selected, I get lag every 3-4 seconds and am basically unable to continue playing until i let them all finish downloading, or I clear my Steam download cache and avoid the Workshop tab.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Đ

[YetiBacklash]

Copy/pasting here some of the pertinent Q&A discussion from Discord w/ Death.

(just so it's more concisely condensed and can remain more readily accessible here as the discord threads keep churning and pushing that info farther up and away into the void)

Overall subject matter so far is mostly regarding the initial perception of slow loading times and whether the wait for mass downloads is warranted, although some other things like the return of /sd are addressed.

Call this a temporary FAQ for the new system I guess as we move into wipe week and everybody experiences it for the first time, a lot of the same questions/concerns/confusion already getting voiced pretty repetitively. Feel free to point your fellow players this way so that they aren't stuck echoing the same initial questions, either joining in with the bombarding of admins from the single-file mob...

 

...where every effort at an answer through global chat will simply evaporate a few moments later, or else similarly clogging up Discord threads - only making the source for these discussion quotes/info even more difficult for ppl to proactively find themselves and prevent the need for asking:

(Note To @Death and Staff: feel free to move this wherever if needed, delete the whole thing if you think it's unnecessary, or simply copy/paste the body into your own post so that the info can be altered/updated/expanded/clarified whichever way u lovely people want moving forward.   Short of that, LMK if there's anything small or wrong you want changed).

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Death: Of course you're going to have to wait for skins to download. We just went from 0 skins to 97k skins 4 hours ago. You can't expect to have them already. As you play your client will be downloading these skins, as well as the skins you pull up on the shop.

Death: This will be much less of an issue [once wipe day starts] with so many skins floating around.

 

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Death: Your assumption is you only want to download skins you want to use. That's not how it works. If other people use these skins, you'll be forced to download them anyways. That's how skins work.

Q: I have plenty of storage, downloading 30 gigs of stuff one at a time per skin is going to take forever.

Death: It will take forever. Which is why you aren't intended to do so. Stop speed running it. Let it happen naturally. On wipe day you'll have these skins all over the map. Your client will be downloading them without you even knowing.

 

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Q: In order to skin an item, you essentially have to start a process that starts downloading a large number of skins, right?

Death: No, you only download what you see on the skin shop. When you view the skin in the shop, or come across it on the map it downloads to your workshop folder.

 

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Q: Is there anyway to opt out of downloading them? I dont want to dedicate my SSD to Rust Skins.

Death: Then disable background downloads for Rust

Q: Will that disable us from seeing skins?

Death: Yes.

Q: Wouldnt that in turn prevent us from being able to see the skin shop and then using it?

Death: Yes, you have to have the skins downloaded to see them on the skin shop.

 

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Q: Can i make it so i only see official skins?

Death: Official skins are already downloaded.

Death: You already have 60gb of officials skins downloaded. We're using the same system Facepunch uses. If you don't want to download the skins don't use the shop. But also keep in mind, you're going to download these anyways... If you come across it in-game your client will download it. Even if you don't use the shop your client needs to download the skin to see it.

Q: Thats fine, i dont think people are going to be using 90k unique skins in one area.

Death: Over time they will. You only need to download these once.

Q: How many gigs is all the skins?

Death: 200gb

Death: There is a way to reduce the total size by removing redundant files from the workshop content if capacity is an issue.

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Q: So i just disable downloads during game and i wont see unofficial skins?

Death: Correct.

Q: If I disable "Allow downloads during gameplay" and only subscribe to the ones I like on the workshop, will the in-game store "load" and allow me to use just those ones, without downloading the rest?

Death: Yes.

Q: If I have "Allow downloads during gameplay" disabled, will it not even load other people's skins as I come across them in game?

Death: Correct.

 

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Q(summarized): Could the process be changed so we can preview the skins before having to download them?

Q: Is there a way you could potentially reduce the size or the way it downloads the files fully? I was under the impression we would get a cached preview then download the skin we want.. not the entire workshop.

Death: Too many skins to keep in memory. Just use the shop normally and the skins will download automatically.

Q: There's no way to scale the files down to display first before downloading? (display an image on the /skin plugin).

Death: There is a way. But we'd not only have to store every single image on the server, but also in memory for your client to download from.

Death: If storage is an issue for you, thumbs up the skins you like and only use favorites. You can't just have all the skins and not have all the skins.

Q: The problem is we can't see the skins to favorite them. I have to download 30gb of skins to see what to favorite.

Death: Yes because they aren't downloaded. Let them download and then delete them from your workshop folder. Or else, maybe get a larger ssd?

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Death: (4/5 @ 8pm): I have an idea to serve thumbnails instead of downloading the entire skin. Will throw something together in the morning.

Q: Kinda like a cached preview?

Death: Cached? no. It'll basically spam your client with web requests from one of our pop servers. Though the content should be served quick enough to make it appear as if it is cached. The caching part is the problem. We can't cache that volume of skins. It would tank server and client performance and cause server instability with how facepunch rewrites the sv database instead of indexing it.

 

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Q: Is there a replacement for the /sd command with the new skinbox?

Death: It'll be built into the spray can.

Q: Does that mean I have to buy the graffiti DLC for it to work?

A: No. You should already have access to being able to craft a spray can in-game. Up to this previous wipe, you've been able to use the can's reskinning function to select ONLY the from whatever skins you, yourself, already own. Now, that functionality is being expanded to enable total access with the same new skinshop. The DLC provides additional content, enabling its owner to use the spray can for tagging decals and 'drawing' within around the in-game 'world.'

 

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Q: As new skins are added in the workshop over time, will they automatically find their way into the skin shop?

Death: Yes.

Edited April 6, 2023 by YetiBacklash
clarifying + meme fix

[Death]

If I have time before wipe I want to give a go at implementing a thumbnail system to prevent from having to download all the skins in order to see them on the shop.

[YetiBacklash]

Edit: Lol nvmnd. had a brain blast, tried & realized u can just split the stack of items in your inventory and it'll give you options in the UI for each    

I haven't been playing much this wipe and I know the Super Saiyan Skin Shop hasn't even reached its final form, so sorry if this has already been addressed as an incoming change or if I'm just not seeing in-game how it's already possible to be done, but it would be nice to be able to have multiples of an item in your inventory and skin them differently. As it is, I can't see any option other than to skin them all at once with whatever skin is selected. Very minor inconvenience, having to exit the UI and bring over blank boxes or whatever one at a time, but would be a nice QOL improvement 

Edited April 15, 2023 by YetiBacklash
v necessary addition of vitamin meme supplement, then feedback retraction

[mini]

(Don't think it was asked) When will the /skin update? 

[YetiBacklash]

@Death My favorites disappear/reset every session (every time I log in). Some ppl have said theirs last a full wipe. Is this a me problem because I need more potatoes powering my pc or is there a fix for this?